photo of seahorse — the only male animal that gets knocked up — by cliff1066
Dear Em & Lo,
The way I see it, there is simply no such concept as male reproductive rights. If your girl gets pregnant and wants to keep the baby, congratulations, you’re a dad! Pay up, sucker. If you want to keep it but she wants to abort it, tough luck — there goes your progeny. The only thing a dude can do is rubber up and screen for sexual partners with similar values.
We get it, the baby’s growing in the woman’s body, and ownership is 9/10ths of the law. But come on, now. There’s got to be some kind of reasonable compromise. I don’t have an easy answer to this, and I doubt anyone else will either. Men will continue to get a raw deal here. But could you open the topic to discussion?
– Cat Amongst the Pigeons
Consider it done! What do you think, do we need male reproductive rights? And if so, what would they be? Let the debate begin (no throwing things, please) in the comments section below.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Madamoiselle L said:…what he NEEDS to say to any hook up or girlfriend he wants to have sex with, and make sure she agrrees: “If you get pregnant, I don’t want you to have an abortion, but I don’t want to have to support the kid even a little, either.”
Again poor assumptions. It wasn’t even implied that the man would be asking the woman NOT to have an abortion.
What he should tell her from the start is: “I don’t want to be a father right now (or ever), so if you get pregnant I would like for you to have an abortion. But if you choose to keep it, please understand that I do not wish to support it nor to have anything to do with it.” (I’ve been on the receiving end of such a statement, and also on the flip side of this informing the guy before we’ve had sex that if I got pregnant I’m having an abortion and he’s paying for half of it.)
And for all our sakes please quit with the ‘writing a check isn’t near as difficult as raising a child’ tirade. No one said it was. Which just might be why the man doesn’t want to be a father–because he isn’t ready to do more than open a checkbook.(or simply doesn’t want children)
This seems to be where you’re missing the point. The woman, if she doesn’t want to be a single mother CAN choose to have an abortion. A man CANNOT choose (and should not be able to, either) to make the woman have an abortion. If the woman knowingly brings a child to term understanding that the man doesn’t want to support it or have anything to do with it, then SHE has CHOSEN to become a single mother and should not blame him for her choice. Also, I keep reading posts, some of them yours, that state that the man should make sure he always wears a condom if he doesn’t want to get a woman pregnant, which is true, BUT last I checked, a woman is just as responsible for making sure there’s a condom involved as the man. And not only that, if a woman doesn’t want to chance pregnancy then SHE should make sure that not only is a condom being used, but that SHE is also using some other form of backup birth control.
I am sick to death of reading the arrogant writings of people who insist, or at least imply, that the responsibility of protection lies only with the man. Sorry folks, but IN SEX IT REALLY IS EVERY MAN/WOMAN FOR HIS/HER SELF WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING ONE’S SELF.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Spes said: “And for all our sakes please quit with the ‘writing a check isn’t near as difficult as raising a child’ tirade.”
NO! Because THAT is the crux of the entire debate.
It’s NOT even. SO, predictably the resolution isn’t “even.”
Having an abortion is also a hell of a lot more difficult than writing a check.
Because the outcome of some sexual encounters can NEVER be “fair” (women get pregnant and men don’t) it makes it “unfair” that men sometimes have to pay for kids they didn’t want.
The child shouldn’t suffer, ONLY a woman can get pregnant and the man can’t decide the fate of the pregnancy. It may not “be fair” that a woman can make a decision to abort or not, and the man can’t. But, the man can’t EVER get pregnant. There is unfairness in this entire event.
Real Men take responsibility for their actions and accidents. If the woman wants to abort, fine. But, to say, “If you don’t, you are on your own, babe.” Jeez, guys like this actually GET laid? Who’d do him?
If I man ever told me I would have to “be on your own or have an abortion if you get pregnant. I’ll pay for half of the abortion, but not a kid, {because I’m too immature to even write a check for even a small part of MY OWN child’s well being.”) he would NOT be in MY bed.
EVER.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Spes also said: “Sorry folks, but IN SEX IT REALLY IS EVERY MAN/WOMAN FOR HIS/HER SELF WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING ONE’S SELF.” END QUOTE
It depends on your relationship. My Man is responsible for our birth control. I’m not anymore. We rarely use condoms, so we use withdrawal. (The Planned Parenthood widget actually SAID this was our preferred method.) Is it NOT “every one for him or herself.” for all people, at all times. I have TRUST in this man. (Yes some people DO.) That he will either pull out, like he says he will, or he will help me raise the child which may result if he doesn’t. Which he has.
Many relationships, or even flings rely on only one member having BC responsibility. You may have wanted to preface your announcement with “if it’s casual sex.” In a relationship, it’s usually not “everyone for himself.” And I have to disagree, not only should there be some TRUST in even casual flings, but there should be responsiblity on the part of both.
But, as men can’t get pregnant, there will always be some inequality in the decision making and how much responsibility the NON pregnant memeber of the coupling has.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I would never screw a guy who used the term, “You’re on your own.” to me. I think many women feel the same. BUT, if a man feels this way, YES, he should come out and say it, for no other reason than the woman who was about to have sex with him can see him for the selfish immature Peter Pan that he is.
Sex is risky. For both genders. A woman can die. A man can……have to open his checkbook. AW.
Guys don’t get off just by whining, “But, I didn’t want a kid right now. I want all my pennies for mySELF.” Sorry.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Hey, Spes, Truce. OK?
Hugs.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Sure. Agree to disagree. Every one is entitled to their own thoughts on what’s right or wrong.
I suppose in the end, men and women should attempt to only engage in sex with people of like minds concerning having children (with such is stated up-front), and pray that the other doesn’t change their mind when it counts.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Oops! Correction: “…with such stated up-front…
February 26th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Agreed!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Here’s how it should work.
Women can terminate their parental rights and responsibilities, any time during the legal period for an abortion and any time after that by adoption or “sanctuary laws.”
Men should have the same rights. Any time durign the period an abortion would be legal for the woman, a man should be able to give up permanently all legal rights and responsibilities to the unborn child.
The pregnant women is free to keep or abort the baby, or later give it up for adoption.
IMHO, this is the only just way to give equal reproductive rights to both women and men.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
All we need is a reliable male contraception, then men can take back ownership of their bodies.
If it’s a permanent decision to not have children, go for the snip snip. Cheaper than 18 years of child support.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
men don’t have the right to have sex. they only have the right not to have sex. when a man inserts his penis into a woman’s vagina, the woman decides whether that act is sex or not. whatever she decides is what is for the man.
men are far behind women in reproductive rights, but i am glad that we are at least starting to raise the question whether men are equal to women. gender equality exclusively proceeds from the assumption of power differentials favoring men, never from those that favor women. discussions on gender equality is anything but equal and so the question of equal rights for men is a small step in a very long journey towards a new focus on the inequities that favor women.
men should have the same rights as women to control their own reproductive destiny. the real burden to a woman that abortion eliminates is often not the 9 months of pregnancy but the lifetime impositions of parenthood that follows. to the extent that abortion isn’t a medical issue but an economic, social, and mental issue, there is no rational justification to deny men the same protections from the same conditions that affect both men and women.
March 1st, 2010 at 4:30 am
Madam L is just a moocher who wants to cheat a man out of his hard-earned money.
This article on societal misandry is a must-read for everyone.
March 1st, 2010 at 9:40 am
Yes.
Men should have the right, irrespective of what their female partners choose to do when pregnant, of aborting their parental rights. These rights should mirror exactly the rights Courts have made up for women while pregnant.
For example, if a woman can abort the baby up to the day of birth the man should be able to abort his parental rights up to the day of birth.
Equal rights, baby. Yes, I mean the irony.
March 1st, 2010 at 9:49 am
Did I really just read that the author is relying on WITHDRAWAL as a method of birth control?
It is a very good thing that you and your mate are in agreement…
March 1st, 2010 at 9:50 am
(Mademoiselle L.)
March 1st, 2010 at 10:46 am
Toads so kindly said: “Madam L is just a moocher who wants to cheat a man out of his hard-earned money.”
ROTFLMAO!!!! My Man and I have been together and in love for several decades, have four children, own our SECOND house together, and share our lives together each fulling a different role, one as a husband and father and the other as a wife and mother. Sorry you can’t appreciate a good relationship, or understand what one consists of.
I would think if I was going to “cheat” this man, I wouldn’t have waited over 25 years to get around to it.
March 1st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
“The child shouldn’t suffer”
Unless the woman decides the child’s suffering and death is less important than her inconvenience.
March 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 am
@The Javelineer … Spot on!
March 3rd, 2010 at 3:57 am
All of this was covered several thousand years ago when “marriage” was invented.
March 8th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
So if a man has procreated with some one he loved and later decided to have a vasectomy for health or any other reason, does that mean his mate has the right to chastise him for his decision?
Pro choice is because it’s the women’s body it is her choice. Responsible men are intitled to a choice involving their body as well?